Submitted by Penguin Blog (USA) Visitor (not verified) on Wed, 04/09/2008 - 10:41pm.
Sorry Daniel, but you are wrong. Almost all of us who think that a human die off is very probable did not come to this conclusion by *prophecy* but by empirical-rational analysis.
Sorry, but the planet is NOT supporting 6.5 billion people easily - we are facing catastrophe on a global scale.
If I am - say - standing a hundred feet from a cliff and I warn someone running by me at full speed that if they keep going as they are they are going to go off a cliff, that is NOT *dwelling on the negative* - which is a new age euphemism for living in denial - it is a rational, empirically based statement and simply common sense. See also Carolyn Baker's website for an article on *Panglossian Disorder.*
Check out the documentary "What A Way To Go: Life At The End Of Empire" which goes a bit deeper that de Caprio's "11th Hour". Check out James Howard Kunstler. Check out www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net. Check out the Die off webpage. Check out Lovelock's "The Revenge of Gaia" and/or some of his latest conclusions, which can be easily found on the web. THEN comment on the situation, after you are a bit more informed.
And Daniel, I say this as someone who was investigating Arguelles and the Mayan Factor and etc. l o n g before you were. The fact is, the human race should have been responding to all of this 25 years ago, but instead the Reagan-Thatcher zeitgeist took us down a dead end road. Now...we are in serious trouble.
Could it be that your buddies - like Sting - want to pose as oh-so-concerned about it all but do not want to face the fact that their ultra-luxurious - and ecologically entropic - rock star lifestyle is part of the problem not the solution and is an example of the kind of lifestyle that needs to be eliminated, and that you - of course - know on which side YOUR bread is buttered?
So, in 2012, the world is going to magically change and all of our problems are going to be magically solved without massive global disruption, destructive chaos and large amounts of people dying?
No Daniel, you are the one claiming absolute certainty through prophecy, Mr. Quetzacoatl. The question is, does one believe what one believes because they want to believe it, or, is it a reasonable assessment and hypothesis arrived at by a sober consideration of the known facts?
I'd say the facts warrant the conclusion that we are heading for global catastrophe. Warm regards, J.
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Sorry Daniel, but you are wrong. Almost all of us who think that a human die off is very probable did not come to this conclusion by *prophecy* but by empirical-rational analysis.
Sorry, but the planet is NOT supporting 6.5 billion people easily - we are facing catastrophe on a global scale.
If I am - say - standing a hundred feet from a cliff and I warn someone running by me at full speed that if they keep going as they are they are going to go off a cliff, that is NOT *dwelling on the negative* - which is a new age euphemism for living in denial - it is a rational, empirically based statement and simply common sense. See also Carolyn Baker's website for an article on *Panglossian Disorder.*
Check out the documentary "What A Way To Go: Life At The End Of Empire" which goes a bit deeper that de Caprio's "11th Hour". Check out James Howard Kunstler. Check out www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net. Check out the Die off webpage. Check out Lovelock's "The Revenge of Gaia" and/or some of his latest conclusions, which can be easily found on the web. THEN comment on the situation, after you are a bit more informed.
And Daniel, I say this as someone who was investigating Arguelles and the Mayan Factor and etc. l o n g before you were. The fact is, the human race should have been responding to all of this 25 years ago, but instead the Reagan-Thatcher zeitgeist took us down a dead end road. Now...we are in serious trouble.
Could it be that your buddies - like Sting - want to pose as oh-so-concerned about it all but do not want to face the fact that their ultra-luxurious - and ecologically entropic - rock star lifestyle is part of the problem not the solution and is an example of the kind of lifestyle that needs to be eliminated, and that you - of course - know on which side YOUR bread is buttered?
So, in 2012, the world is going to magically change and all of our problems are going to be magically solved without massive global disruption, destructive chaos and large amounts of people dying?
No Daniel, you are the one claiming absolute certainty through prophecy, Mr. Quetzacoatl. The question is, does one believe what one believes because they want to believe it, or, is it a reasonable assessment and hypothesis arrived at by a sober consideration of the known facts?
I'd say the facts warrant the conclusion that we are heading for global catastrophe. Warm regards, J.